A R Rahman received his seventh National Film Award on Tuesday, and he says it definitely feels like a first all over again. “As an artist, you always feel like you're shedding your skin, evolving into a new person. The artist who has evolved is the one getting the recognition,” he shares. Interestingly, Rahman won his very first National Award for Mani Ratnam's Roja, and now, over three decades later, he's being awarded again for a Mani Ratnam film.

Music lovers say that the music of Roja still feels as fresh today as it did back then. Talking about what he does as a musician to create timeless music, Rahman shares, "From the very beginning, I had all these tick marks - the music should be recorded well, produced well, and the intention of creating the music has always been very pure. There is a big hero so I should do better music for this and there us a small hero so I should just...no! My music was never like that, the music has to be timeless. Whether it's a small hero or a big hero, the music has to be timeless. What I do should reach the full potential of what I can do. Sometimes, when you're working on a movie, a great tune comes for a small movie, and everyone says, 'Why are you putting this tune in a small movie? Use it for a Rajinikanth movie.' And I say, 'No, this tune came to me for this person, and I can't cheat. I can't take it out and put it somewhere else.' So that is the route I always took."

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Remembering how he felt when he received his first National Award, Rahman says, "I remember after I got my first National Award (for Roja), one of the reporters asked me, 'Do you think it is too early in your career to get a National Award for your first movie?' (laughs). After the first National Award, I felt like we have to go higher because the National Award is the highest recognition for any Indian musician. Even now, the National Award is something the whole nation acknowledges. As an artist, you always feel like you're shedding your skin, evolving into a new person. The artist who has evolved is the one getting the recognition. It's not the same thing - you've moved on from a lot of things, you're reinventing yourself, sometimes keeping what is good, sometimes letting go. So, this definitely feels like a first."

When the award was announced Rahman told us that it's a full circle, a National Award 32 years later, again for a Mani Ratnam movie. He says, "It is," and elaborates, "I think I was sitting with Mithun da and Mani Ratnam, and the minister Ashwini Vaishnaw asked something like, 'Where did you study?' I pointed at Mani Ratnam and said, 'Mani Ratnam university.' I think when you work with certain people, they bring out the best in you. And even without them asking, you understand. It's a telepathy that happens; after a while, they don't have to ask you. What they're asking comes as a mind impression, like, 'Okay, this is what he's thinking.' Then you go much further than what he's thinking, and he comes back and says, 'Oh! I like that. Why did you take so much time? Because you gave something far ahead of what I was thinking.' I'm like, 'Well, I had to take time.' So, we have a nice, interesting relationship."

Rahman says that because he had worked with so many traditional composers when he was young, he had to fight himself to break free from those influences. He says, "I had to take a 180-degree turn and say, 'I don't want to do what they did because I need to have a new experience.' So if they used one raga, I'd go and find another raga that was very unusual. Even in Roja, we used several ragas that were rarely used in Tamil. It was more of a North Indian raga, and when Tamil people heard it, it made North Indian people feel closer because they knew the ragas. Usually, Bhairavi, Yaman, and Todi are more common in South Indian compositions. So, I've consciously tried to move away from what is expected. Sometimes, some movies need a traditional score, and sometimes the director is ready to explore and gamble, and is ready for an adventure and then we have fun, which is what Mani Ratnam does."

Rahman says that a lot of research actually happened for the music of Ponniyin Selvan and he also had research material about what kind of equipment they had at that time, and then decided how to bring that sound from modern equipment and add it to the score.

He says, "Some of the instruments we got sound similar, and for others, we took some liberties and hid them in the score, which just adds to the musicality. We can go into anthropology-driven details, but the ultimate goal is to create an experience. It's about how truthful you are while giving people that experience because you're taking them to that era, and that era itself is a mystery because nobody really knows what happened. You imagine that, and imagination can be small or wild - most of the time, it's a wild imagination."

As Ponniyin Selvan has a sequel, so when he creates music for films which have sequels, how important is continuity? Sharing examples, Rahman says, "When it's a sequel, sometimes you have to continue with the score for continuity. Take the Bond movies. They have one theme that recurs. Different composers have done it too. Thomas Newman (Skyfall, Spectre) did it. John Barry (From Russia with Love, Goldfinger, On Her Majesty’s Secret Service, etc.) used to do it, and they all became the same theme.

It depends on the movie. If it's a continuation story, then it's better to have the same theme, like John Williams did for some of his work." (John Williams composed for many film series such as the Star Wars series, Harry Potter series, and Indiana Jones series.)

Whether it's a big-budget film or a small-budget film, Rahman says it does not matter to him. Because his name is associated with the movie, when films don't have the budget, he has often paid from his own pocket.

He shares, "Sometimes, even for a big movie, a small score works, and it doesn't have to have 200 instruments every time. And sometimes, for a small movie, you need a big score. The film might not have the budget, but I say, 'It's fine, it's my movie, my name,' and I go ahead and book the orchestra. For instance, there is a movie Gandhi Godse - Ek Yudh (2023) that Rajkumar Santoshi directed, and it had a small budget. It required a very, very big sound, so we went ahead and did some of the score. He said, 'I don't have the budget for this,' and I said, 'No worries, I'm paying for this.' (Laughs)

Rahman says that he had these very strict standards from the beginning, and says, "See, for me, there is a truth, an honesty and that's important. I have to look at the music. To give an example - the first jingle that got me noticed, I was paid Rs. 2,000 bucks, and I used to charge Rs. 20,000 at that time. If I'd thought about money then, I wouldn't have worked very well on that. I always feel like money comes as a blessing, but your work is more important. How you work, what you give, should stand the test of time. I should feel proud of all my films and work."