Leaving behind his established modelling career in Delhi, Rohman Shawl came to Mumbai to explore other avenues. The actor, who was once dating Sushmita Sen and continues to be her close friend, talks about how he made the shift from the runway to cinema and the impact Sushmita has had on his life.

After acting in a few short films, Rohman bagged the role of one of the antagonists in the film Amaran. 

The actor said, “Playing an antagonist is a feeling every actor should experience. I wanted people to hate me for my role, and they did, so I guess I did something right and it felt like an accomplishment. It was such a dark role that it was changing me as a person. With this film, I learnt that as an actor one needs to learn when to break away from the character.”

Rohman came into the limelight as someone who was dating Sushmita Sen a few years ago. While there was a lot of buzz around that, it also led to him losing out on modelling assignments. He said, “In 2013, I began modelling in Delhi. I became a top model there, and with all that experience came to Mumbai. When I met Sushmita, I wasn’t focusing on becoming an actor. In fact, after my name was associated with hers, people thought that I wouldn’t take up modelling assignments and would switch to acting instead. Log sochne lage ab yeh kyun modelling karega and I stopped getting offers.”

Being with Sushmita, Rohman picked up the nitty-gritties of acting and how things functioned on sets. “I was lucky enough to be on the sets of Aarya and Taali and see her perform. You can just observe people and absorb so much. I hope everyone has a person in their life they can learn from,” he shared. 

Though the two have moved on from that phase, Rohman is often spotted accompanying Sushmita at events. He explained, “I only accompany her as a friend. I like spending time with her. If the relationship didn’t have issues and if you have given so much to a relationship, then why would you run away from it?”

Talking about his personal life, Rohman said, “I am single right now, but because a big name of that stature has been associated with me, people think that I am still with her. So, nobody even approaches me (laughs). I totally believe in love and relationships. In fact, I like being in relationships that drive me.”

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Rohman was last seen in Sivakarthikeyan and Sai Pallavi's blockbuster film Amaran. He played the role of terrorist Asif Wani. The film went on to collect Rs 220 crore at the box office and was one of the biggest tamil hit of last year.

If you were to play word-association, probably anywhere in the sub-continent, the word that would come immediately with Miss Universe is: Sushmita Sen.

Twenty-nine women on the planet have been crowned since her. Yet, as we introduce her in this conversation to a live audience, Miss Universe rightly shows up on top. Do you ever stop being Miss Universe?

“So glad you asked this,” she says. In Namibia, the following year, when the crown passed on to Miss USA, at the party in the coronation hall, Martin Brooks, then president of the organization joked that they’ll fire her the next morning. She said, “No, I shall resign tomorrow morning.” She was 19.

When the name-plate was placed on her table, it didn’t say “Former Miss Universe” as originally designated. It said Miss Universe, 1994, which is the year she dedicated to the title she won in Manila, Philippines. That she considers her second home after our own, i.e. India.

Consider a recent talk-show she was on with Jessica Soho, the ‘Oprah Winfrey’ of Philippines. On the episode, during the interview, Soho brought over several Philippine children from different islands, all of them named Sushmita: “These were 22-year-old girls: Sushmita Chagalung Mang, sometimes, Sushmita Sen Chagalung Mang…!” Incredible.

So, yes, whether others do or not, Sen remains Miss Universe, forever, and a crown she wears poised to perfection still. And that, strangely enough, bothered her daughter Alisah, 8, when she asked her mother, once, why there was so much paparazzi always surrounding her.

She told her child, hey, that’s because I’m kinda famous! “But, why,” the girl asked. “Because, you know, Miss Universe, and I act…”

Alisah semi-taunted her, instead, “But that was a long time ago, mom!”

The coin dropped for Sen. Around 2010, Sen had decided to take a break from films altogether. Something her manager and friends in the movie industry then, termed a “hara-kiri,” given the shelf-life attributed to female stars in Bollywood, anyway.

But her reasons were quite clear. If you scroll up her filmography on IMDb leading up to it: films titled Zindaggi Rocks, Ram Gopal Varma Ki Aag, Karma Confession And Holi, Do Knot Disturb, Dulha Mil Gaya… Her last film, before the sabbatical, and the reason for it, was No Problem (2010). Which is when she said, “No!” There is a problem here!

Sen recalls, “You get bored, if you are growing neither as an actor nor as a person. You need to experience/observe life in order to reflect art. Also, I had become a mother again, to a one-month-old.”

“I had adopted my first child, Renee, when she was six months old. But there’s a big difference between raising a one-month and a six-month baby. That’s when I thought to myself—I can’t leave her with a nanny to do something I don’t even like!”

As happens with showbiz—“jo dikhta hai wahi bikta hai”—that break continued indefinitely, as the “scripts offered started to dry up too.” The daughter-mother exchange was a turning point of sorts, it seems. As Sen puts it, that’s when she realized her daughter had grown up as well, with a mind of her own, “telling her off.”

What did she do? What most people with paps circling them may not. That is, pick up the phone, call up the content bosses of the top three OTT platforms in India, namely, Disney+ Hotstar, Amazon Prime Video, and Netflix.

And introduce herself, “Hi, my name is Sushmita Sen. I’m an actor, used to be one anyway. I’d like to come back to work, and I need help, because I haven’t worked in eight years.”

What might have been more baffling, for the OTT bosses, is the number of conditions she flagged, given that she’d been without a job for almost a decade: “I wanted them to know I am hungry. And I had been watching content on OTT and loving it, while Hindi cinema, with women, operated along the same lines still.”

“I told them: I want workshops. I want to learn. I want to unlearn. And I want to headline a show. I want responsibility. I don’t want to be just a character. I need a conflict so powerful that it is author backed. Their jaws dropped.”

The underlining point being something she’s followed all along: “You get in life what you have the courage to ask for. You just don’t get it [otherwise].”  

She rejected multiple scripts that obviously didn’t meet all the conditions. Until Saugata Mukherjee, with Disney+ Hotstar then, currently with Sony LIV, called her back with what he suggested was an offer she couldn’t refuse. He told her nothing else.

In true Godfather style, only few hours later, she was with director Ram Madhvani, who she was pleasantly surprised to meet. He described her role as the “female Michael Corleone.”

Within five minutes, she said yes: “My lawyer Priyanka was making nail marks on my thigh—‘you can’t just do that’!” Sen says what she had learnt from her “first innings [in Bollywood] was not to get carried away by a script. The words to screen require a team.”

This is how, in 2020, we finally saw Sen in Aarya, on screen, after years, doing gymnastics, in the opening scene. We saw her husband in the series, Chandrachur Singh, who’d also been away for so long that some (like me) mistook him for Shashi Tharoor, for a second. “Yeah, I saw those memes,” Sen laughs.

Madhvani’s International Emmy-nominated Aarya is a dark, crackerjack crime thriller, based on the Dutch drama, Penoza, that follows the life of Sen’s eponymous character, as she navigates the world of drug-trade, mafia, murders and revenge, across the rugged terrains of Rajasthan. Aarya is still par for the three-season course.

A better shocker for audiences would’ve been Sen showing up as a transgender lead—playing the activist Gauri Sawant, who went through sex-change, in Taali (on Jio Cinema). You only have to notice Sen in the younger portions of the series, where she’s a young boy with slight stubble, to appreciate the transformation. “That’s when I felt totally beautiful [in my skin],” she says. 

The process presumably must’ve been the same: training, workshop, learn, unlearn. The only criticism likely to come her way for Taali, and something she was prepared for, is usurping a role rightly reserved for a transgender actor, after all. She defends, “Frankly, I wasn’t okay to play the role in Taali, until I knew Gauri Sawant herself wants me to play her.”

“The crew was resistant to get in touch with me [Miss Universe, etc], until Gauri coaxed them into it. She told them, I want my life to be beautiful. It has been spelt out to be ugly for far too long.” Sen declares she may have actually underplayed Sawant in the part: “She’s way too spit-fire strong in actual life!”

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While there are several Sushmitas named after Sen, born around the mid ’90s, in Philippines, and in India too—a better name for her might well be Alice. And I don’t mean this in the way of the song, ‘Who the f*** is Alice!’ But, of course, the book, Alice in Wonderland. 

Think about it. Enough female actors, in particular, during interviews, you’ll observe, say they never actually wanted to be actors. Which is euphemism for how they never chased fame. It’s only true for Sen, in all honesty. She never even did inter-school plays, growing up.

Shortly after winning the Miss Universe title, she built a home and life in Los Angeles—“that’s where my financial independence was”—for three years.

She had a career in modelling sorted, perhaps looking at entrepreneurship thereafter. It was while she was visiting her parents in Delhi during the time that filmmaker Mahesh Bhatt called her to meet, since he happened to be in Delhi too. She told him over the phone, “If it’s for a role, I’m not interested. I can’t lie. It’ll show on camera.”

This, one can vouch for, even during this conversation. Between 2010-2012, during her acting sabbatical, Sen ran the Miss Universe franchise from India, then owned by Donald Trump. She adds, “This didn’t make it easy or fun. I enjoyed sending girls from India to compete for the pageant, but I didn’t like the people I was working with, so I quit.” 

On Trump, she says, “There are some people who leave an impression, not necessarily because of their achievements or power. Just for the people that they are. He is not one of them.” 

Okay, we digress. In the mid ’90s, Bhatt persisted for coffee, nonetheless. They met and he told her a few things flatly, “You don’t have to act. You have to play yourself, that is Sushmita Sen. Also, when did I say you’re a good actor, I’m a damn good director.” So Bhatt-like!

The film he had in mind was about a Miss Universe getting stalked, which became Dastak (1996), a big-budget production, shot in Seychelles, Switzerland… It was the only film Sen was ever going to act in. 

Here, of course, no dialogue coaches, workshops, acting instructor—Sen was, right away, called in for the film’s mahurat. She recalls, “I had mugged up my lines. I came out of the [vanity] van, and there were 40 media persons lined up for the shot. Bhatt Saab said, ‘Let them watch. It’s after all Miss Universe’s mahurat’. Before I was to give my shot, he changed my entire scene.”

“It became about a woman dealing with a man lunching at a morgue, from whom she has to collect a dead body. I was 22. No acting experience. For two years, I’d been professionally trained to be a lady. Here, I was to show aggression, that I don’t understand, throwing my earrings at the morgue man. I wasn’t getting it right. Bhatt Saab began to tell [brother-partner] Mukesh, ‘Yeh kisko leke aaye ho? She doesn’t know anything!’”

It’s at this point Sen broke. She told Bhatt off: “I told you I can’t act. I’m done. You can’t insult me, in front of all these people. There was a showdown.” Bhatt retorted, “That’s the anger [I was looking for]. Now show it in the film’. This is where Bhatt Saab is Bhatt Saab.” 

The entire posse of media folk around her were actually ‘junior artistes’, brought in, holding cameras, pretending to be press!

Dastak, Sen says, got almost entirely shot with her first takes, given how raw she was, as a performer, and how she might feel spent/exhausted, with multiple dabs at the same scene. 

The ’90s, of course, were another time, even as they were times that were changing. Looking back, Sen argues, “Thank God for the world that existed back then—I would’ve never been an actor by now.” 

What followed Dastak is Alice in Bombay/Bollywood, where everyone, biggest names onwards, knew her already, from her pageant stint. A story I had heard about Sen, which only she can verify is if she first met Amitabh Bachchan in the men’s loo. Dying to pee and no place to go, she walked into the men’s loo, and there was Bachchan saying hi to her… True story? Apparently not.

“This could’ve happened with [me and] someone else. It’s possible. Lucky for whoever saw me in the men’s room. But if it was Mr Bachchan, I’d remember!” 

For all its usual highs and lows, Sen did become a legit Bollywood star. The acting experience, or lack thereof, didn’t count for much. What did, in some sense, if you wish to place her in the pantheon is how many Bengali actors become Bollywood heroines. 

As in, somehow the male equivalent of Sen, right from Rakhee, Sharmila Tagore, down to Kajol, Rani Mukerji etc, are usually Kapoors or Khans. Rather than male Bengali leads. For the heck of a conversation, I ask her why that is so. She sighs, “It’s an interesting thought. But with due respect to Bengali men, Bengali women are something else!” Point taken.

The other thing that Sen has in common with a full constellation of female Bollywood stars is the number of them who come from defence services’ backgrounds. Their parents having served in the forces—from Priyanka Chopra, Anushka Sharma, Preity Zinta, Lara Dutta, Aishwarya Rai, Neha Dhupia, Gul Panag… 

You lose count, really. And this is equally true for women in film crews you bump into often. Sen’s dad served in the Indian Air Force.

She has clearly thought about this phenomenon before: “I think if you’re going to be an outsider [in any industry], it helps to be raised with certain qualities that services’ kids have. Our fathers get posted to a new location every three years, which means everything changes for you—your uncle-aunties, friends, school… This makes you grounded as a person, adapting to new places.”

The other thing Army daughters enjoy, I reckon, growing up in closed cantonments, is a sense of freedom—that isn’t as common among girls, living in the towns/cities right outside the gated, services’ establishments. Sen argues, “On the other hand, we grow up over-protected, but that also makes us fearless.”

Between class IX to XII, Sen went to Air Force Golden Jubilee Institute (AFGJI) in New Delhi. It’s a school I’m familiar with, having been to The Air Force School, next-door, around the same time. 

A shout-out is warranted, only because AFGJI is a unique kinda school, for classes merging, wherein airmen’s kids study along with officers’ and civilian’s children. But more so, the school has an inclusive section dedicated to special children, struggling with certain mental faculties. 

Sen is happy I bring this up, since it did influence her personality at an early age: “The beauty of interacting with special children in that school was that you got graded for participating in competitions, where you help the other child win, in order to win yourself. 

“We got graded 25/100 for just that. So, for instance, you had to push the wheelchair in a run, and you lost, if both of you did. It takes the approach that we aren’t different from each other. Only, that I can’t move forward [in society], unless all of us do.”

After school, Sen had her eyes set on an economics degree from St Stephen’s College. While in line for admissions, realizing that she hadn’t made the percentage cut-off, heartbroken, she headed off to a nightclub the same evening. It’s what happened on that night, that she never had to go to college, ever. 

She remembers, “There was a gentleman at the nightclub named Ranjan Bakshi, looking at me. He claimed to be from The Times of India, and wanted me to apply for Miss India. You know how it is, in Delhi…”

Yes, we all do. Sensing a creepy uncle-type, Sen’s friends gave her cover, fobbing off the old gent. But her group of friends returned soon after, with the same man, who had The Times of India business card, asking to be taken more seriously. 

This is how she landed at the Miss India contest. There was also the parental block before that. Her father was upset. He had IAS aspirations for his daughter. He didn’t speak to her for some time. 

Even when she had entered Miss India, she had to convince him about the swim-suit round: “I can’t participate in the contest, and not do the swim-suit round, which is part of it. I told him, baba, I have to wear a swimsuit. But I promise you, I will add respect to it. It will not be ‘chhablami’ [crass].”

Sen adds, “When I won Miss India—for my dad, being a defence person, it was me representing India. He bawled his lungs out. I had given him the biggest moment, being his daughter.”  

This is the point in the interview Sen is in tears herself; asking for tissue. She came good, even further, for her father, when she was awarded an honorary D.Litt by NR Narayana Murthy, in Kolkata, many years later. She was unwell. Her dad went to receive the degree, on her behalf. So much for never entering college.

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The reason Sen will be Miss Universe for Indians, foremost, forever, is also her stardom belongs to a time when mass culture itself was so monocultural. 

We followed a handful of celebs. Information on them was scarce. Mystique, supreme. There developed a para-social relationship with the star. Wherein we formed our own opinions on them based on the little we know. And we took immense pleasure in it. 

As a kid, when Sen won the global title, I confess to her, we’d gossiped about how she had dumped her boyfriend right after. Feeling sad for the boy we knew nothing about. Rajan, something? “Rajat Tara,” she reminds us. Of course!

“I was the best-man at his wedding in Belgrade,” Sen says, recalling how he remains her BFF still: “I was so fortunate to have him as my first boyfriend. You don’t dump a guy like that. You could outgrow.” That she’s famous and single (as in unmarried) since she was 18—I also wonder if normal dating has been difficult for her.

Sen says hiding who you’re dating is more tiresome: “Takes away too much energy. There are times in my life, when I’ve wanted to give respect to a relationship [by being open about it] and I have, without waiting [for the other person to].”

Which brings me to the X/Twitter post on her relationship with former IPL boss Lalit Modi that blew up social media in 2022. Sen rightly asks me to check my facts. She put out no such post herself (Modi did). 

What she did was respond to the madness on Instagram: “I just posted for how silence must not be misconstrued with weakness. I wanted people to know that I was laughing. And got done with it.”

“You can’t be 47, in the public eye for 30 years, and be afraid of the public. You have a relationship with them. They can get strained sometimes, as with all relationships. But that’s okay. I was looking at memes calling me gold-digger, but monetizing the same content, online. Also, let’s get the facts straight. I don’t even like gold. I like diamonds!” 

Okay, switching gears to something more serious: “Oh, that wasn’t serious,” Sen chides. Obviously not. Her relationships are not what we know her for. 

In many ways, Sen is the female equivalent of Shah Rukh Khan. And I don’t mean SRK in 2023, with two blockbusters under his belt. But all the years before it as well, wherein people never lost the personal connect with the star, regardless of hits/flops. 

As with Sen, who’s equally articulate, can charm the pants off you, and while she hadn’t been onscreen for nearly a decade— people remained interested in what she said, and more so, what she did. In terms of life’s choices. 

Take the case of her two children, Renee, 24, Alisah, 18. Both of whom she fought in the court to gain her right to adopt them as a single mother. 

The impact that must’ve had on millions of Indians, similarly looking to be parents, but not necessarily out of wedlock. And that you couldn’t be a “fertile, single woman,” and adopt a child at all: “The last such person to do that [before me] was a 29-year-old divorcee. And it wasn’t me alone, who won the court case. It was worth the fight. There were so many of us [in the same situation]. Even when we won the court case, and I was 24—once I brought my [adopted] child home, there was problem at the passport office. They refused to leave the line on who’s the father, blank.”

“I had to go back to the judge, who issued the letter to the passport office stating that a refusal to do this would be contempt of court. What happiness, we are jumping timelines!”

A decade later, she knocked on the Supreme Court, because the laws didn’t allow you to adopt a girl child, twice. Which is strange: “At the orphanage, there are no boys. Even if there are a few, they get adopted immediately. There are parents who have already adopted, but they can’t bring another baby girl. That defeats the purpose.”

“It took us 10 years to win that case. We won on November 17. On November 19, which is my birthday, my [second] daughter came home. It’s as if she was waiting for this, to be born. Of course, you can say ‘not applicable’ to a father’s name in [her government] documents as well!”

It’s an empty nest for her now, as Sen puts it: “Both my children have now moved into their own lives. I’m learning to be jobless [on that front]!” Which explains her changing priorities, she suggests. Only, in July, 2022, she suffered a massive heart attack, which is becoming inexplicably common at middle-age, lately. 

Sen already has a family history of a heart condition—a reason both she and her brother (Rajeev) get medically examined, regularly. She was “hyper-active, shooting” for the third season of Aarya.

Sen says, “This was all of a sudden. I had just been checked. It couldn’t be the heart. But I had a 95 per cent blockage in my artery. In the 45 minutes of that episode, the last 15 minutes of which I was running parallel between life and death, I just knew that God has plans for me.”

“Miraculously, the arteries opened up for the blood to pass through. The doctor was laughing with me while putting stents on the operating table. It’s like a new lease of life. I finish my 47th year, with so much that has happened.”

Sen turns 48 on Nov 19, 2023, a day after this is published.

Filmmaker Onir isn’t happy with the casting and portrayal of the transgender community in projects like Taali and Haddi starring Sushmita Sen and Nawazuddin Siddiqui, respectively. 

“When I saw the trailers, at that moment, I decided I’m not going to be a part of something so problematic, even in terms of watching it,” rues Onir, adding, “This kind of representation of trans people is offensive and even their tone is problematic.”

Going on to emphasize why the members of the trans community should represent themselves in projects, the 54-year-old says, “There are enough trans actors to play trans characters, including actors Sushant Divgikr, Rudrani Chhetri, Trinetra Haldar Gummaraju. Why cast someone else? When a community isn’t authentically represented, (an archetypal image) is shown, it’s not okay. We need queer people represent themselves onscreen.”

Onir also feels that straight people should be more accepting of the LGBTQIA+ community. “The community, which is still learning how to accept us, should not make a film about us. First, they need to educate themselves,” he asserts.

Before Sushmita Sen met Gauri Sawant in 2022, she remembers running a Google search on her. Watching her TED Talks and multiple videos gave the actor a fair idea of the transgender activist. Or so she thought.

“When I went to meet her, the person I expected was the one I saw on YouTube. It turns out that is not what any of us are. When we met, I saw a vulnerable, kind and compassionate person. Because of the world we live in, there is a [difference] between the person she is and the one she projects. The world needs to see the vulnerable Gauri Sawant,” states Sen. That is where Taali comes in.

Sawant’s biographical series, helmed by Ravi Jadhav, attempts to reveal the person behind the many achievements to her name. Sen, who plays Sawant, emphasizes that even though the show chronicles the protagonist’s fight for transgender rights and highlights society’s apathy towards them, it’s not an underdog story. 

The actor says, “The kinnar community has existed for 4,000 years, and they are still looking for recognition. Hijra is a community, not a gaali. Over the years, people have made it into an abuse. What people forget is that at the core of all of this, is a human being who is being abused day in, day out for simply existing. Gauri and her sisters have lived that life every day. We have someone to go to [when hurt]. This is the story of a trans woman who had no one to go to, and she decided to create a home for the underprivileged.”

Casting a non-queer actor in a queer-themed story is usually slammed. The leading lady admits she too was worried about the casting decision. But after the teaser was launched last week, she felt “an onslaught of love.”

While it was a brave decision on the part of Sen—a beauty pageant winner who is seen as the epitome of sexy—to play the role, she acknowledges it was “an enormous responsibility” to tell Sawant’s story. “Gauri is breaking the barrier of why a trans person is not chosen to play her. And [the circle] will be completed when a trans actor will play a gender-neutral role. These are small steps to progress,” smiles Sen.

The Jio Cinema offering traces how a young boy Ganesh identifies as a female, moves from Pune to Mumbai and builds her life as Gauri. Sen credits acting coach Atul Mongia for helping her slip into the role.

“I had to play a man, Ganesh and then Gauri. When shooting the portions as a man, I would bandage my chest, and wear a crotch guard to physically separate the legs. I had to put on weight [to attain] a more masculine structure. The mannerisms had to be different. We had to dub those portions separately. During dubbing, I had to increase the bass in my voice. The worse my throat got, the better it sounded. We discovered the right voice through trial and error,” she recounts.

The makers wanted Taali to be the story of transgender people, told by them. Which is why they were roped in across departments. “More than 70 per cent of the crew was made up of kinnars, including my co-actors and some co-directors. The right and wrong were dictated by them on the sets. My director was clear that we would get it wrong [in terms of on-screen representation]. So, whenever we went wrong, they would tell us, ‘Thaamb’, and we would follow their guidance.”

When Arjun Singgh Baran and Kartk D Nishandar came across a story based on the life of transgender activist Gauri Sawant, they immediately recognized its potential. Three years on, the duo is almost ready with Taali, which sees Sushmita Sen step into Sawant’s role, and National Award winner Ravi Jadhav at the helm. The idea behind the upcoming web series, Nishandar says, is to chronicle Sawant’s fight for transgender rights while also highlighting society’s apathy towards them.

“Gauri and Laxmi [Narayan Tripathi] went to the Supreme Court to fight for transgenders’ rights. Taali is an inspiring story of how a young boy Ganesh [identifies] as a female, moves from Pune to Mumbai, and then builds her life [as Gauri],” says Nishandar.

After acquiring the rights from Sawant, the creators made her an integral part of the script development. “After Afeefa Nadiadwala wrote the story, we spent a lot of time taking Gauri through it. We dramatised it to make it entertaining, yet kept it as real as possible,” recounts Baran. Next came the big question: Who would play the protagonist? Sen was their unanimous choice.

Baran says, “Sushmita had done a fantastic job in Aarya. We thought if we could get her for this role, it’d be amazing.”

What followed was a long wait, as the actor pored over the script. Nishandar adds, “Sushmita said she loved the script, but needed some time to absorb it. She took six months to say yes, but by then, she knew the script by heart and had done her homework. So much so that when we would add a line or change a scene during the shoot, she would point out that it wasn’t there [earlier].”

Before she stepped into Sawant’s shoes, Sen wanted to meet the activist who had championed different causes — from adoption rights of transgenders, to founding an NGO that provides counselling to them. The duo met in late 2022.

Baran elaborates, “It was amazing to see them together. Sushmita lights up the room she is in, and Gauri is like a mind reader, who can see a person’s soul. Though we had gone through the entire script, Gauri narrated some [other experiences]. She even gave a rudraksh to Sushmita for the shoot.”

Gauri Sawant with Nadiadwala and Sen

Arjun Singgh Baran and Kartk D Nishandar

Transgender rights activist Shreegauri Sawant has never shied away from speaking about the struggles from her past. Now, with her story being turned into a series, with actress Sushmita Sen portraying her on screen, Gauri is excited.

She says, “Quite a few transgender persons have been through similar experiences like me. It was high time a real-life story of a transgender got explored on screen.”

In a chat with us, Shreegauri speaks about Taali, the project that’s being helmed by Natarang director Ravi Jadhav, Sushmita Sen, her favourite movies with queer characters, and more...

Mother to a 21-year-old daughter, Shreegauri is happy that another doting mom, Sushmita, is playing her on screen. “When the makers told me that they had signed Sushmita for my role, I was pleasantly surprised and flattered. I was curious to know how she agreed to play me on screen. When I asked her this, she very sweetly held my hand, smiled and replied, 'Jaan, tu bhi ek maa hai, aur main bhi ek maa hu, bas isliye'.”

Shreegauri adds that a woman agreeing to portray a character of a transgender is a big win for the entire community. Narrating the time she broke the news to her guru, Shreegauri shares, “When I told her that a show is being made on my life, my guru casually reacted saying ‘Kya badi baat hai? Transgenders par filmein toh banti rehti hai. Sadak (1991) main Sadashiv Amrapurkar ne role kiya tha’. But when I said Sushmita is going to play my role, my guru couldn’t believe it. Playing a transgender on screen is not easy; one needs a lot of courage. Hats off to Sushmita, who has taken up this challenge.”

Gauri adds that she loved the first look of Sushmita too. “She is sporting big bindi and rudraksha mala. Also, I wear my watch in a particular way, which she aced as well,” she says.

Sharing her views on the queer representation in movies, she says that the stories need to go beyond veering around just the struggle of acceptance or coming out. “Aap humko koi aam insaan ki tarah dikhao. Tab humein log job denge. There is no need to show a transgender as a dark character or a person who only has hardships. Hum koi abla naari nahi hai, aur na hi bhagwan hai jo sirf ashirwad de sakte hai. Portray us as normal as you are. Focus on showing us as someone having a career, relationships etc,” she says.

Shreegauri, who had filed a petition in the Supreme Court of India for the adoption rights of transgender people, asserts that while society’s outlook towards the queer community is changing, there is a long battle ahead. “We are celebrating 75 years of independence, but our community is still struggling. We are denied our basic rights and good opportunities. I take every opportunity to sensitize people, whether it is about speaking about medical dilemmas or HR policies. Even today, at many hospitals, doctors refuse to examine us. There is a lot to fight for when it comes to gender equality as well,” says Shreegauri, adding, “My father passed away last year. I wasn’t even informed about his death. My brother removed my name from the property papers. It was my father’s right, not his. It is not that we have a lot of property, and I would have given away my share if they had asked me to. But how can you refuse to acknowledge my identity when I am alive? Therefore, we need better laws to allow future generations to live with dignity. It’s high time society stopped playing hide and seek with us. Our battle will be won on the day that no transgender has to beg on the streets.”

“I liked Amol Palekar's Daayraa in Hindi, and in Marathi, Jabbar Patel's Umbartha impressed me too,” says Shreegauri.

Gauri Sawant considers the upcoming movie, Taali, in which actor Sushmita Sen will portray the life of the noted transgender activist, to be a huge victory for the trans community as a whole. She doesn’t want to focus on the few rumblings that claim a member of the community ought to have been chosen for this role.

“One should think about how challenging it will be for a woman of such stature to take on a role that comes with a lot of taboos. She (Sushmita) has shown courage by taking this up. And she was my first choice,” says Sawant, adding, “Let her (Sushmita) play that role. Hum koi aur role kar lenge. My message to all is, kisi ko restrict mat karo kisi role ke liye. I’d be interested in playing (late politician) Sushma Swaraj on screen if her biopic is ever made. Why should we be restricted to just trans people’s roles? We need to break barriers.” 

As per the activist, watching a woman embody the nuances of a trans person, not a man, is another great victory. “Most of us wanted to be women, and that is the reason we decided to wear a saree. It is now a mark of respect for us that a female actor is playing the role, instead of a male actor, something that has happened a lot in the past,” Sawant says, revealing that Sen worked extensively with her for this project. 

Sawant adds, “There are many transgender actors who will be seen in the project, who were picked after a thorough audition process. I am also attached to this, not as an actor, but in other ways. So, it is not that Sushmita is the only one acting here.”