As communication services in Kashmir continue to be restricted, director Rahul Dholakia, who filmed Lamhaa there, and actor Ashwath Bhatt, a Kashmiri himself, try to reach out to students facing financial difficulties on account of being disconnected from their families in the Valley
Rachana Dubey (BOMBAY TIMES; August 29, 2019)

‘WE ARE ALL CONTRIBUTING TO FLOOD VICTIMS IN OUR STATE, WHY IS KASHMIR ANY DIFFERENT?’
Filmmaker Rahul Dholakia recently took to Twitter with a message — “#Kashmiris who are living in various parts of the country and can’t reach their homes in the valley — if there is anyway we can help, please connect. You looked after us when we made movies there, now it’s our turn #insaniyat #ourownpeople.” Dholakia, who once researched for his film Lamhaa by interacting with students in Kashmir, tells us, “I wrote on social media and I do believe it has created some impact, there are many people who are raising money. A lot more effort needs to be made. I have been doing my part. I think whoever wants to help, can.”

The filmmaker feels that this is a time to keep politics aside and help out those in need. He says, “I have been speaking to some friends who are in the Valley and some who are outside. One of them said, if we don’t get signal in our phones in Mumbai, we get irritated... Imagine being cut off completely from any form of communication for weeks! Parents are not sending children to school, banking is affected as internet is not working, and Kashmiri students outside the Valley have no way of finding out how their families are. Some of them don’t even have money for food and medicines and other basic stuff. And at this stage, if we are not by their side, who will be? Politics aside, it’s just a human thing. And, like someone posted on my timeline, do you think eight lakh Kashmiris are terrorists?”

Stressing on the necessity to rebuild trust, Dholakia says, “When I visited the Valley (to research for Lamhaa), I met many students. There is a generation out there that has grown up listening to the sound of AK47s. They have big trust issues. Let’s rebuild trust. And the only way to build trust is to stand up for a brother in trouble, in need, and that too without them asking for it. Aren’t we all contributing to flood victims in our state? So why is Kashmir any different? We need to do something, and do it now.”

Does he think educational institutions can help Kashmiri students in need? “I have heard of cases of ragging where some Kashmiri students were asked about their stand on Article 370! That’s very low and insensitive. We need to create an environment of trust and it needs to be built right from our schools and colleges. We can’t humiliate people or make callous comments about them. This is not the time to ask them to prove their loyalty, this is the time for us to show our loyalty.”
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Abhimanyu Mathur (BOMBAY TIMES; August 29, 2019)

Film and theatre actor Ashwath Bhatt was born in Srinagar and lived there during his childhood years before his family had to migrate to Delhi during the Kashmiri Pandit exodus some three decades ago. Now, when Kashimiri students outside the Valley are facing cash crunch due to shutdown of communication lines in J&K, Ashwath has been trying to help them by setting up a fund which can loan them money to sustain for now. “I want to help these kids because I have faced hardships too. I know what it is like to have no money for sustenance. And these kids are from my community. They are Kashmiris too,” says Ashwath on his motivation to set up a fund for the students.

The actor, who has also shot for films like Raazi and Haider in Kashmir, says that he has now partnered with several Kashmiris living in Delhi, Bengaluru, and other cities to reach out to such students. He says, “This is the time of real-time communication. With mobiles and internet, we are used to being in touch with our families 24x7. But now, many Kashmiris studying in other parts of India are facing shortage of money. Because of the lack of internet connectivity in many parts of the Valley, their families have been unable to send them money. What people don’t get is that Srinagar is not all of Kashmir. There are places like Kupwara, Pulwama, Shopian, and Handwara, where the communication channels are still not fully up. Kisi ko exam fees bharni hai, someone needs to pay his rent because the landlord is pressurising him, but paise nahin hain. We are reaching out to these students and trying to help them by loaning them the amount they need right now.”

Ashwath says that he initially feared the students might be facing other issues like bullying and harassment, too, but was pleasantly surprised to find that isn’t the case. He tells us, “I was initially worried if these kids might be facing bullying of some kind, too, but thankfully, none of them reported anything like this. They say ki inko koi pareshan nahin kar raha. Bas paise ki kami hai. There was one odd case of a girl facing some issue but that was sorted out easily.”

So far, Ashwath has helped around 20 students to pay for rent and fees, and he hopes to reach out to more as word spreads. However, he has faced reluctance on the part of several students to accept this aid. He explains, “These are kids from well-off backgrounds. They have never faced shortage of money like this before. They are hesitant to ask for help. Kuchh bachche kehte hain ki sharam aa rahi hai paise maangne mein. I say, ‘I’m like your elder brother. Just take this as a loan, not a gift. When you get money from your family, return it. Mann ho toh interest bhi de dena’. I want them to still feel dignified while going through this.”

Other difficulties remain, too. Ashwath says, “I am going through the proper legal channels that exist for fundraising and donations. But since I don’t have any FCRA registration (Foreign Contribution Regulation Act that governs foreign contribution to NGOs and other welfare organisations), I cannot accept money from people abroad. A lot of friends living overseas have showed interest in donating, but I ask them to request their friends living in India to donate on their behalf. As of now, I cannot accept their help. I hope somebody can help me overcome this problem so that we can help more students going ahead.”

Anshul Chaturvedi (BOMBAY TIMES; May 24, 2018)

Long before Raazi’s ‘humanising the enemy’ narrative was accepted by the audience, one of its actors, Ashwath Bhatt, who left Kashmir in the exodus of 1990, had learnt that understanding the other side is far bigger for your own growth than hating it. He tells us how doing theatre and working with students from conflict zones like Syria and Palestine has put his own community’s suffering in perspective, and why when he visits Kashmir today, he talks of inclusiveness and not conflict.

You belong to Kashmir. How different is the Kashmir of the 1970s,what we see in Raazi, from how things are today?
I just came from the Valley recently. Ten days, I was in the Valley for an event which was to bring communities together. I have been very vocal and I told people — main Kashmir mein bolta hoon, Delhi mein bhi bolta hoon, aur London mein bhi; I don’t change my tone.

Unlike the Valley’s politicians ...
Yes, they come to Delhi and say one thing and go back to Kashmir and say something else. They say one thing in Kulgam and one thing in Pattan and one thing in Baramulla. I said to people there that two things concern me a lot as far as Kashmir goes. First, if there has to be reconciliation, there has to be truth. And truth of both sides, not one way. Har cheez ke do pehloo hote hain jeevan mein. Yeh shayad mujhe theatre ne sikhaya hai ki har character black and white nahi hai. Grey bhi hai life mein kuch. So, I talk a lot about it — truth and reconciliation. The second thing I said is, what am I giving to my next generation? One generation is already gone. Chhote-chhote bachchon ki buses par pathar maar rahe hain log. Kaun sensible, samajhdar aadmi bachchon ki bus par pathar maarega? Mujhe yeh bahut hurt karta hai. Koi bhi mazhab ka ho, bachcha hai, usko main pathar maar raha hoon. It makes me uncomfortable and destroys me mentally. Toh yeh maine Kashmir mein kaha, ki yeh do cheezein soch lena aap, jo kar rahe hain hum log. Yes, I want to be in my hometown, I want people to come, whosoever wants to go and whosoever wants to live wherever. But the second thing is, what are you giving to the next generation? Main Kashmir 2006 se jaa raha hoon. Main England se aaya and then I have been regularly going for research; I wrote a film, Lamhaa, and at different points, I had different encounters. Main Hizb ke militant se le kar ek chhote se ex-militant tak sabse mila hoon. I am making a documentary as well. It’s called The Other Half Of Paradise.

Lamhaa was seen by some to be separatist-friendly in its tone.
Yes. Mujhe uss par bhi gaaliyan padi. ‘Kashmiri Pandit hote hue tumne Kashmiri Panditon ko koi Ready line nahi falood di’ was a point of view. Maine kaha, yaar, tum meri integrity par question mat karo na yaar. Main koi balancing act wala aadmi nahi hoon. Aise toh Vishal Bhardwaj se bhi yeh sawal poocha gaya tha Haider (right) ke time par. Vishal ji se meri baat hui thi. He said, ‘Ashwath, isme kitne point of view hain Kashmir ke. Aap ek film mein har cheez cover nahi kar sakte ho. Mera yeh apna point of view hai’.

Kya hai ki sachai kadwi hai Kashmir ki. Koi sachai na sunna chahta hai, na bolna chahta hai. Agar hum sach bolenge toh sab cheezein theek ho jayengi, lekin sach itna kadwa hai ki koi sunna hi nahi chahta hai.

Aap kisi se baat bhi karte hain imaandari se and you want to help people, woh kehte hain aap kis agency se hain? Arre bhai main kisi agency se nahi hoon, na main press ka hoon. There is a trust deficit now in Kashmir.

You were slammed for Lamhaa’s writing, but not for playing a Pakistani officer who is normal, relatable?
No, now I think the audience has grown. Maturity aayi hai. Ab unko lagta hai acting kar raha hai yeh. When Anupam Kher can play a character that is almost Geelani, what’s wrong with me playing a Pakistani Major?

I did Phantom also with Kabir Khan. I asked him in the first meeting, what is your vision. He said look Ashwath, everybody is doing their job. RAW is doing its job and ISI is doing its job and I want to show ki uss job ke dauran yeh kahaani chalti hai — the killing of Hafiz Saeed — joh movie mein dikhaate hain. Maine kaha khwaab achha hai. Film mein hi poora kar lijiye. Lekin jab woh film aayi, kya hua usme? They (ISI) create havoc in half of the subcontinent and we treat them like idiots. In films, we show that they don’t have brains. They’re not idiots.

You’re suggesting we tend to create this artificial structure of a mindless, random entity on the other side — just the thing Meghna is not doing in Raazi, right?
Yes, because we make everyone we don’t like a demon. It doesn’t work like that. Everybody is human. We also have skeletons in our cupboard. If you look at films, jab Kargil hua toh suddenly you had patriotic films, with ‘Doodh maangoge toh kheer denge, Kashmir maangoge toh cheer denge’, because that catered to people. Gadar hua toh hand pump nikaal kar Pakistan ko aapne hila diya. It doesn’t happen like that.

I’ve researched a lot for Raazi. I saw Pakistani Army videos because koi reference hai hi nahi uske alawa. Fortunately, I must be the only actor — or a rare actor — who had dinner in a Pakistani cantt. I was a guest of DG Lahore Shabbir Ahmad sahab (Director General of Parks and Horticulture Authority, Lahore, between 2003 and 2006) in 2004. I was working with a German (theatre) company at that time and we were supposed to tour South Asia. Uski recce ke liye main aaya tha. My passport says I’m not supposed to go there but I’m sitting there with Shabbir Ahmad sahab. Shayad kismat mein tha ki ek din Pakistan Army ka Major play karoonga.

Also, the way Meghna has dealt with Raazi, it’s very human. Sehmat went as a spy but she didn’t intend to harm anyone. She intends to get things done for her own watan. She is told ki ek din tumhe zaroorat pad jaaye aur kisi ko maarna pade... But then, what is driving her is that it’s all for the nation. By the end, she is totally heartbroken; she is gone, only alive physically. So, it’s not the story of India-Pakistan but of a human being, the lowest denominator.

You’re not edgy when talking about Kashmir, despite being uprooted at the age of 15. Has it been this way from that point of time itself?
I have mellowed down. I still have huge anger because my only question was what is my fault that my mother cries 24 hours a day? Neend mein bhi aansoo nikal rahe hote thay. What’s her fault? She has not hurt anybody, harmed anyone. But I’m not angry. I’m not saying sympathise with anybody. Lekin ek cheez hai empathy, jo bahut zaroori hai life mein. That can be for anyone.

M K Raina, Vir Munshi and I were discussing the other day in Kashmir ki artist chahiye. Moti Lal Kemmu ji (noted playwright and Kunal Kemmu’s grandfather) also passed away recently. Woh guru thay hamare. Unka bhi yahi concern tha till his death — ki artist paida hona chahiye community mein. Jis community mein artist marr jayega, uss community mein kuch nahi bacha. Writers nahi paida honge, thinkers nahi paida honge, painters, sculptors — we need people who have diverse backgrounds. For me, what is more important is aapne language bachaya apna? Who was stopping you from saving your language? Who was stopping you from saving your culture, or telling your children — the next generation — ki beta, Kashmiri mein thoda-bahut baat kar lo.

How are your associations with the Valley today, your earlier neighbours, associates?
Mere saare relations waise hi hain. Aaj bhi unhi Musalmaan gharon mein jaata hoon. Unko mama tab bhi bolta tha, aaj bhi bolta hoon, unki beti ko main behen bolta hoon. Gaya toh hospital se doctor le kar gaya unke liye. Raazi ke time par main gaya toh unko le kar gaya. Jinhone mera ghar jalaya main unse bhi mila, chai bhi pi unke saath baith kar. Our old neighbours told me that our carpet is in another neighbour’s house — uss par namaaz padhta hai woh. My father said a very amazing line, he said ki uss aadmi ko sochna hai ki kya uss kaleen pe woh jo namaaz padhega, woh qubool hogi?

Hamare yahan duniya aati thi — India se, baahar se bhi because my grandfather was a big name — Dwarka Nath Bhatt. He had so much faith that he said sabka ghar jalaa sakte hain, mera nahi jalaa sakte. But yeh jo saari cheezein hain... mujhe yahi lagta hai ghoom-phir kar ki shukr karo hum Syria mein nahi hain iss samay. Aap Iraq mein nahi ho. ‘Hamare saath ye hua’ — khatm karo yeh narrative. Inclusive banaiye na.

Ashwath Bhatt, who plays a Pakistani Army man in Raazi, on his journey from the Valley to B’wood and working with filmmakers ranging from Meghna Gulzar and Rahul Dholakia to Mira Nair and AR Rahman
Anil Raina (MUMBAI MIRROR; May 23, 2018)

Ashwath Bhatt’s performance as Pakistani army officer Mehboob Syed in Junglee Pictures and Dharma Productions’ espionage-thriller Raazi is getting him plenty of appreciation, and the actor admits that even he is surprised by all the love that is pouring in. “All credit goes to Meghna ji (director Meghna Gulzar). She wanted a certain stillness… thehrav in the character and I simply surrendered to her vision,” asserts the Kashmiri local who admits to having visited Pakistan many times. “And my interactions with people across the border have always been warm and cordial. They are simple, normal people who, like us, are suffering because of the politics of hate and fanaticism.”

As someone from the Valley, what’s his take on the portrayal of Kashmiris in the film, we ask, and he points out that they are inherently very emotional people and that is evident in the film too which is about putting the country ahead of personal interests. “Sehmat’s story is of sacrifice and her struggle with guilt about all that she has to do while on a mission. At the end of the day we are all humans and what we do affects us. Alia was brilliant as Sehmat, she’s so warm and affectionate that I never felt I was working with a big star,” he says.

A former acting teacher in the UK, Ashwath is now firmly entrenched in Bollywood with significant roles in films like Karan Johar’s Kesari and Nadita Das’s Manto. “I’m playing one of the two main antagonists, Gul Badshah Khan, in Kesari which is based on the Battle of Saragarhi. As far as Manto goes, in theatre circles I’m known for my solo show, Ek Mulaqat Manto Se, which I have been performing for the last 17 years. That’s how Nandita heard of me. The Manto family, whom I know closely, also recommended me to her but I was travelling to Germany then so things didn’t work out but during the film’s last schedule, Nandita called me again asking me to play Prosecutor Qasmi and I agreed,” informs Ashwath, happy to be part of his favourite writer’s biopic. Prod him on his favourite Manto stories and pat comes the reply, “Khol Do and Thanda Gosht. Also, his short story collection, Manto Ke Afsane.”

Ashwath grew up listening to Sufi music and watching films. During his college days in Srinagar, he started dabbling in theatre against the wishes of his family who would have been happier if, like other youngsters, he pursued a career in medicine and engineering. But the only thing on his mind was cinema and he’s been working non-stop for the last 22 years both in India and abroad, acting, directing, teaching and researching. “It’s been an exciting journey so far. Films bring you quick fame and global recognition, but you are as good as your last release so one should stay grounded and not let the ego take wings,” he adds.

He was brought into the film industry by Rahul Dholakia and writing for his Lamhaa, Ashwath admits, was an intense and somewhat traumatic process as it brought back dark memories of the Valley. “Unfortunately, the film didn’t turn out the way we had envisaged but the questions we raised are still relevant,” he says.

He’s done around 15 films so far, including Oscar winning director Danis Tanovic’s Tigers, Dipesh Jain’s Indo-German co-production, In The Shadows, and Mira Nair’s A Reluctant Fundamentalist. Talking about Mira he says, “She has always been very generous in her praise and I really like the way she calmly allows you to figure out the scene before giving you her inputs. Sometimes she doesn’t say anything at all, just smiles and says, ‘Bilkul sahi kiya.’ I love her cinema.”

Next up is AR Rahman’s home production 99 Songs, in which Ashwath is playing a politician for the first time. “It is a very nice part and I just couldn’t believe I was with Rahman saab,” he says. How difficult is it for a Kashmiri to make it in Bollywood, you wonder and he says, “The same as everyone else. If you have talent and persistence with a bit of luck, films will come to you. Kashmiris are actually doing very well in the industry, genes help.”